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Amidst the final round of staff and cast interviews for Yamato 2202<\/em> Chapter 7 was a conversation between the top rivals: Daisuke Ono (voice of Kodai) and Koichi Yamadera (voice of Dessler). As 2202<\/em> recedes over the horizon, here’s their parting gift to us. <\/p>\n

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Amidst the final round of staff and cast interviews for Yamato 2202<\/em> Chapter 7 was a conversation between the top rivals: Daisuke Ono (voice of Kodai) and Koichi Yamadera (voice of Dessler). Their interview was published widely at [titles] Animate Times<\/a>, Mantan Web<\/a>, Pash Plus<\/a>, TV Guide<\/a>, Web Newtype<\/a>, V Storage<\/a>, the official 2202<\/em> website<\/a>, and Yamato 2202 Newspaper 4<\/em>. As 2202<\/em> recedes over the horizon, here’s their parting gift to us. <\/p>\n

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Space Battleship Yamato 2202<\/em> Daisuke Ono & Koichi Yamadera interview<\/h2>\n

The tension when voice actors young and old gather together, and the impressions that can only be tasted there<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interview by Yu Ishibashi, published March 1 2019<\/em><\/p>\n

Yamato 2202<\/em>, the latest series of Space Battleship Yamato<\/em>, finally reaches its last chapter. Yamato 2199<\/em>, which launched as a new Yamato<\/em>, began in 2012. From there, we\u2019ve reached the end of a seven-year journey.<\/p>\n

It was an homage to a masterpiece that cannot be ignored when talking about the history of Japanese anime, and it has evoked many feelings from both the fans and the production side. The two we interview here are among them. In Yamato 2202<\/em>, Daisuke Ono played Susumu Kodai and Koichi Yamadera played Abelt Dessler. We asked them about their feelings as actors in a big title and what it was like to travel to the final chapter. Hearing their thoughts was a precious moment.<\/p>\n

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The on-site atmosphere changed when Mr. Yamadera arrived<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> Yamato 2202<\/em> has finally come to a close. It\u2019s been seven years since the beginning of Yamato 2199<\/em>, the same amount of time it takes for a child to pass through elementary school. Please tell us your honest feelings at finally reaching the end.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> In the case of 2199<\/em>, it was a journey of a year and a half for 26 episodes of a TV series. I think I traveled almost two years for 2202<\/em>. After a while, the atmosphere of the studio and voice recording booth was really like the bridge of Yamato<\/em>. I felt like we were all on a journey together in 2199<\/em>. When we recorded the final episode of 2202<\/em>, I thought that I had really traveled with everyone. It was really good that we all got here. Everyone was really thankful.<\/p>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> Do you mean it seemed like everyone was really there on a battleship?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. From the recording booth you see the staff in the control room and they look like the captain and navigator on Yamato<\/em>\u2019s bridge.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> That feeling of tension comes through the glass.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Because the atmosphere is so similar, there was always the sense of being on board Yamato<\/em>. In addition, the actors who participated are men and women of all ages. The veteran actors represent Japan, and there were many young actors at the same time. The Yamato<\/em> generation and the generation not touched by Yamato<\/em> gathered together in one place. Everyone poured passion into their work with the same feeling. As the \u201cacting captain\u201d\u2026no, as the \u201ccaptain,\u201d I was very glad to see that. I was really proud of the crew.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> You just said men and women of all ages, but I\u2019m still young. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I didn\u2019t say anyone was old! (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Are you saying Mr. Mugihito [voice of Tokugawa] is old?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> You\u2019re making it look like I said that, so knock it off. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> In my case, on both 2199<\/em> and 2202<\/em>, I joined in on the voice recording along the way. I didn\u2019t appear every time, but this has a clear distinction from other series. It\u2019s a special work. Because I only appeared sometimes, there was a lot of tension. Of course, there is tension in other works, too, but there haven\u2019t been any other works where I did it for such a long time and didn\u2019t lose that feeling of tension until the end. <\/p>\n

It was never a harsh atmosphere since everyone gets along well, but I had that tense feeling until the end every time. For me, there isn\u2019t an actual feeling yet that \u201cit\u2019s over.\u201d I feel like I\u2019m still on the journey.<\/p>\n

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Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> You do still feel tension.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Because I\u2019m both young and old. (Laughs) But there weren\u2019t just veterans there. There were young people at the Yamato<\/em> site who are leading voice actors in the industry now, including Mr. Ono. There are a lot of people, and many of them are dazzling.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Mr. Yamadera was nervous, too.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Seriously! (Laughs) On 2199<\/em>, the Yamato<\/em> side and Garmillas sides were recorded separately, but on 2202<\/em> we were able to record with everyone. Chairs were lined up for all the people who couldn\u2019t fit into the studio for recording. For an actor who is always in the center when I go to other sites, it was like, \u201cshall I sit in the corner?\u201d (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. (Laughs) It was like, \u201cIf I sit down, there will be no place for the younger people to sit.\u201d (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Me too. I felt like, \u201cWhat should I do?\u201d<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Whenever Mr. Yamadera came in, the atmosphere of the place got very showy.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Oh, please write down that Mr. Ono said that. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

(Everyone laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Everyone was very friendly, not just Mr. Yamadera. Houchu Otsuka [Sanada] and Mugihito [Tokugawa] are very friendly, and we can talk freely. They\u2019re great seniors in all our eyes.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Like our grandfathers, really.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> You said it, not me. (Laughs) There are others like Shigeru Chiba (Dr. Sado), who is great, too. I was always worried about how I should communicate as the chairman.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s true, you were kind of a chairman. But it was a really nice atmosphere.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Is that so? Good. But when Mr. Yamadera came in and sat near me, I felt like the atmosphere had risen by a step.<\/p>\n

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Overcoming it with the power of everyone<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> What do you think it is about Yamato<\/em> that has made everyone love it for so long?<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s a difficult question, and I get it every time. (Laughs) But it\u2019s important.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I always think that it\u2019s because Yamato<\/em> depicts a universal theme. Yamato<\/em> is a work known to everyone who is Japanese. No matter who you ask, even if they haven\u2019t seen Yamato<\/em>, they know \u201cIt\u2019s the story of going to Iscandar and coming back,\u201d don\u2019t they? The song tells the story, so everyone knows. So you could say Yamato<\/em> has reached the realm of folklore and fairy tales. <\/p>\n

In the mind of the Japanese, it has a beauty and nobility. It\u2019s a legendary SF anime and it gets your blood racing when you see it, so it includes entertainment elements. It\u2019s a work that contains everything that people like and cherish. That might be \u201clove.\u201d Therefore, even if it\u2019s remade for the times, it\u2019s possible for today\u2019s young people to like it. I think it\u2019s a work full of appeal that can be enjoyed as entertainment.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> It\u2019s exactly as Mr. Ono says. That\u2019s all of it.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Cheater! That\u2019s cheating! (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> I think that because just one element couldn\u2019t be loved for such a long time, it\u2019s probably various things put together. One thing to say about it is that it\u2019s magnificent. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s necessarily limited to the Japanese. It\u2019s a human drama that touches peoples\u2019 heartstrings.<\/p>\n

I started with the first, original Yamato<\/em> when I was in seventh grade. Among all the anime for elementary school children, I thought, \u201cIs anime graduating?\u201d I remember that Yamato<\/em> was very addictive for adults. At the time there were no stories that had such a crisis. Moreover, it wasn\u2019t a personal crisis, but it was on a global scale. Even when the viewer thought overcoming it was absolutely impossible, somehow they did it. It was the royal road of entertainment. <\/p>\n

At the time I didn\u2019t think there was any other story like it, and I still feel that way. The new staff of 2199<\/em> and 2202<\/em> have that same respect, and that\u2019s how they made it into a new, rich story with love.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Yamato<\/em> is in a pinch all the time, isn\u2019t it? (Laughs) Even if they escape from a pinch, there will be another pinch.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Well, Zordar is terrible. Hideaki Tezuka\u2019s voice is just amazing.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I didn\u2019t feel like we could win (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> He\u2019s very soft-spoken, but he can be very scary when he talks. <\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> The viewers will understand that we have to overcome such a threat with everyone\u2019s power instead of the power of one. You can feel the appeal of the work from there, can\u2019t you? We\u2019ll never lose, we can definitely overcome it.<\/p>\n

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Dessler is also part of the \u201cgreat sum\u201d<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> I think the characters are different from 2199<\/em>. Was there any change in how you look at your characters, Kodai and Dessler?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Since 2202<\/em> starts three years after 2199<\/em>, Kodai has a new position and his responsibilities have also increased. You could say he starts out in a middle-management type position. I think you can start to see a sense of growth from 2199<\/em> when you see those surroundings. <\/p>\n

Speaking of Kodai, one of the things I inherited from the original is a place where I can rush forward with my own feelings. It\u2019s one of his good points, but it\u2019s also a slight weakness, isn\u2019t it? His stalwartness and his passion haven\u2019t changed from 2199<\/em> to 2202<\/em>. But as an acting captain, he finally sees everyone in Yamato<\/em>\u2019s crew properly. He\u2019s always pressed to make choices while taking the crew\u2019s thoughts into account. He always gets his solution from that. It\u2019s the same for an actor, and I admire that in a man. I think, \u201cI\u2019m getting stronger.\u201d<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Mr. Yamadera, how about Dessler?<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Dessler\u2019s past becomes clear this time in 2202<\/em>, and I was surprised that there was such a thing. Originally I thought of him as being born cool-headed and charismatic, moving forward as someone who would do anything to fulfill his purpose. Now I know that\u2019s not the case.<\/p>\n

When I look back on 2199<\/em> sometimes, I ask, \u201cWas my performance OK?\u201d (Laughs) I didn\u2019t know about all this at the time, and it wasn\u2019t in the original. I want to go back and tell myself about it. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

He didn\u2019t do anything to save Garmillas. He was not acting for his people, but out of his own ego and his feelings for Starsha\u2026that\u2019s how I understood it, but it\u2019s deeper now, isn\u2019t it? Therefore, Dessler looks a bit different than he did in 2199<\/em>. That\u2019s what I think. Because it turns out he had an older brother, and various thoughts come from that and his mother. I really thought, \u201cThank you for that.\u201d<\/p>\n

I can\u2019t say much about the future, but I have a feeling that Kodai and Dessler will be more than rivals. I don\u2019t know how to say it. Chapter 7 is pretty shocking.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s a difficult area. From where I stand, I don\u2019t see the backbone Mr. Yamadera talks about. Dessler was always scary.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Certainly. (Laughs) You can see a little of his humanity in front of Starsha, but I felt like he could see through everything.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> From where Kodai stands, that\u2019s been the problem since the fight. He doesn\u2019t know his true nature. But he definitely seems to have convictions, and since he acts on unwavering feelings, that\u2019s what makes him scary. It\u2019s literal charisma. Plausibly frightening. Since that was always there, seeing that 2202<\/em> had that backbone made me incredibly happy.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> You could finally see, \u201cThat was it!\u201d<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Zordar says, \u201cI am human,\u201d But I also thought Dessler is human, too.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Right, right.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I came to like it a little.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Dessler was probably affected by Kodi. I think he almost lost sight of himself at the end of 2199<\/em>, and he was changed by seeing the figure of Kodai, and Yamato<\/em>\u2019s way of fighting. Because of that, he looks at everything and asks, \u201cHow is it done?\u201d All through 2202<\/em> I was thinking that he was trying to find an answer on what to do. I think Kodai and Yamato<\/em> had some influence on him, and how he should live. That is also the \u201cgreat sum.\u201d<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I was really impressed that Dessler noticed the he was also part of the \u201cgreat sum.\u201d I thought he always had a solitary existence. I didn\u2019t think he\u2019d ever meet his match.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> It feels like the opposite of the great sum. So at first I wondered if I could sing the end theme for Chapter 6, Great Sum<\/em>. I didn\u2019t sing it as Dessler, but I thought about Dessler being part of the \u201cgreat sum\u201d when I did it. I think you can understand that part when you see Chapter 7.<\/p>\n

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Feeling each other’s \u201cscary\u201d moments<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> I\u2019d like to hear stories about the voice recording. How did you see each other when you were acting together?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> As I said earlier, my first impression of Dessler was \u201cscary.\u201d I didn\u2019t know what he was thinking, but his words and backbone were very persuasive. I thought Mr. Yamadera\u2019s voice would make me feel that way. If Yamato<\/em> is a big, burning red flame, then Dessler feels like a calmly burning blue flame. Blue flame is very hot, isn\u2019t it? That\u2019s what I felt from Mr. Yamadera\u2019s great performance. I was scared and I watched my back. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Oh, no, no, no. (Laughs) I was scared that I didn\u2019t know what I was doing. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I didn\u2019t know that. (Laughs) I only learned for the first time today that you were nervous.<\/p>\n

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Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> We haven\u2019t worked together much so far.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. I haven\u2019t had many opportunities to join you.<\/p>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> After looking it up, is it just Yamato<\/em> and Anpanman<\/em><\/a>?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> We only appeared in Anpanman<\/em> a little bit. It really feels like a bang in Yamato<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> We also recorded separately on The Disastrous Life of Saiki K<\/em><\/a>. However, I\u2019ve always heard that Daisuke Ono was an outstanding voice actor. When my appearance in 2199<\/em> was decided, I thought, \u201cEh? I can\u2019t be Kodai any more?\u201d (Laughs) Since Kei Tomiyama (the original Kodai) had died, I did an imitation of him [in the Playstation games and Yamato Resurrection<\/em>]. When I got the offer for the game I tried to perform it like him. I was surprised when they said, \u201cNo it\u2019s different this time, Daisuke Ono is Kodai and you\u2019ll be playing Dessler.\u201d (Laughs)<\/p>\n

I had already seen Mr. Ono perform beautifully, and the new Yamato<\/em> would be beautifully done. But Kodai is the main character and Yamato<\/em> is also Kodai\u2019s growth story, so I think that was the hardest role.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I felt the pressure. You had already played Kodai, so I was nervous when we met. But it was completely natural when you came on board. There was no Kodai there, you were completely Dessler. I was impressed by that. I shudder at the site when I see seniors come in to play their roles. So I changed my point of view to being the person who inherited Kodai. \u201cThis person is Dessler now.\u201d That was very impressive.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> It was really good that I sounded like Dessler. I felt pressure the whole time because the voice of Masato Ibu (the original Dessler) has been echoing in my head for a long time. By comparison, Mr. Ono was the perfect Kodai of 2199<\/em> and 2202<\/em>. I never thought of him as the same person who played Riki Nendo (the character with supernatural powers in Saiki K).<\/em> I really thought it was a completely different person. (Laughs) Well, I\u2019m a guy who has performed various roles, too. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. (Laughs) How many different roles have you played? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> I don\u2019t do many other things, so I have no choice but to do that\u2026so why am I whining about it? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

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(Find Mr. Yamadera’s gigantic credit list at Anime News Network here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> If we have time, I\u2019d like to ask Mr. Yamadera a question. I\u2019ve read in some interviews that you don\u2019t think your voice is anything special. Peoples\u2019 voices don\u2019t change very much, so that\u2019s why I brush up on my skills and take on various roles.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> I always think that. Because when Mr. Ono is performing Kodai, I don\u2019t have the feeling that he\u2019s like, \u201cLet\u2019s make something,\u201d but rather he reads the script and thinks, \u201cKodai feels this way, and so let\u2019s do it like this,\u201d and he performs it in a very straightforward way. I love Mr. Ibu\u2019s Dessler, there is naturally a part of me that wants to kill myself making it because I don\u2019t want to lose to him. But I have to confront that feeling. That\u2019s superficial, and I can\u2019t give in to my feelings. And I have to bring out a presence among the amazing members of the cast. Because there was a back and forth among us where everyone was saying, \u201cThat was great!\u201d<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> You certainly gave me that feeling when I was watching my back. There was a feeling of, \u201cI can\u2019t be defeated by you,\u201d so I think I was a little scared.<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> No, it was a bluff. I was bluffing. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> You had me scared. But once you finish performing, you say these nonsensical things like, \u201cWhat was up with his hygiene?!\u201d and stuff like that. (Laughs) <\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> Mr. Ono and the others will say, \u201cWe\u2019ve been around in the current industry,\u201d and so when I feel like I\u2019m messing up and unsure what to do, everyone is incredibly kind to me. Yet despite the tension, it\u2019s a great venue. There\u2019s nothing better when you\u2019re performing. But, while we take it seriously, once we cut the recording, that harmonious feeling will return, and I\u2019ll think how nice it is. I think it\u2019s an incredibly ideal venue.<\/p>\n

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It was good to reach the end<\/span><\/h3>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> I think the two of you have been involved in Yamato<\/em> for a long time. At the end of Chapter 7, what was it like at the moment the voice recording was over?<\/p>\n

Yamadera:<\/em><\/span> I joined up in the middle, so I have no comment in this area. This will be answered by Captain Ono. I\u2019d also like to know, how did everyone feel?<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> Everyone looked refreshed. That\u2019s also what I felt, because the work had a very good ending. It overturned every expectation and went beyond what anyone imagined. I think everyone imagined what it would be like, and of course we did, too. But only the writer, Harutoshi Fukui had it in his head. When I knew the actual finale, I thought, \u201cSoon I\u2019ll have no choice but to do this.\u201d <\/p>\n

The finale may not quite be what everyone thought, but we\u2019re all involved in Yamato<\/em>, and I think it was good that we all got to this ending. After the recording, I looked around the studio and everyone was smiling widely. I was relieved to have finished a big job, but I didn\u2019t feel tired. Everyone had a very bright look. I was happy as both a captain and a chairman. I thought it was good that we had traveled so far.<\/p>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> It\u2019s wonderful that you had been working on such a great work, and your last impression was, \u201cThis is good.\u201d <\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> As expected, Yamato<\/em> went through a lot of serious hardships, and there was no one who wanted to travel farther. We were all happy to have gotten to the end.<\/p>\n

Interviewer:<\/em><\/span> I\u2019m sure this is something you\u2019ll reflect on from now on.<\/p>\n

Ono:<\/em><\/span> I really think so. Of course, there have been some works that I thought were really hard, and that also becomes part of the memory. \u201cI poured everything I had into it! I did it!\u201d It\u2019s a sense of accomplishment. I\u2019m happy that I\u2019ve done it. It\u2019s really full of such thoughts. At the [September 2016] production presentation<\/a>, Mr Fukui said, \u201cI wouldn\u2019t write a story with no hope.\u201d It was hard, but it was good to reach the end. I think the people who watch it will think so, too.<\/p>\n

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