{"id":19903,"date":"2015-10-11T22:42:18","date_gmt":"2015-10-12T05:42:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/?p=19903"},"modified":"2018-11-02T21:12:15","modified_gmt":"2018-11-03T04:12:15","slug":"054a","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/054a\/","title":{"rendered":"Akira Hio Interview, 2014"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-880 alt=\"1510icon\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-content\/uploads\/1510icon.jpg\" width=\"216\" height=\"90\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"cosmo-teaser\">Akira Hio is the record-holder for drawing <em>Yamato<\/em> manga, but interviews with him were practically nonexistent until another manga artist, Keiichi Tanaka, published this extensive conversation that covers Hio\u2019s long and storied career working alongside some of the best mangaka history has to offer. [2 pages]\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n<p><!--more--><!--noteaser--><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a01.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>When you think classic <em>Space Battleship Yamato<\/em> manga, Leiji Matsumoto is usually the first name that comes to mind. But Akira Hio should always be the next. Several artists took their turn at <em>Yamato<\/em> manga in the production years, but Mr. Hio was the record-holder by far, having adapted Series 1 and all the following movies. (Explore each of them in depth elsewhere on this website.) Unlike Matsumoto, however, interviews with him were practically nonexistent until very recently.<\/p>\n<p>The long silence was broken by another manga artist, Keiichi Tanaka, who specializes in mimicking the style of others. He caught the attention of <em>Yamato<\/em> fandom with his doujinshis of <em>Yamato 2199<\/em> gag manga drawn so precisely in Matsumoto and Hio\u2019s styles that they boggle the mind. It was in a doujinshi titled <em>Heartfelt Traitor<\/em> (December 2014) that Tanaka presented this interview with Akira Hio as a bonus feature. It turned out to be the edited version of a longer conversation that he published in a separate volume titled <em>SF Manga of our Youth<\/em> (August 2015).<\/p>\n<p>Fandom owes Mr. Tanaka a salute for his dedication to the subject, and it is with such a gesture that we present this translation.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div class='clear'>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a02.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Keiichi Tanaka (left) and Akira Hio (right)<\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Special Interview: A portrait of the SF manga heyday<\/h2>\n<h3>The days of <em>Space Battleship Yamato<\/em><\/h3>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Akira Hio:<\/em><\/span> Nice to meet you. I\u2019m Hio.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Keiichi Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> I\u2019m Keiichi Tanaka. I\u2019d like to begin with <em>Space Battleship Yamato<\/em>. The anime has been remade and the boom has come again, but Leiji Matsumoto is not involved and <em>Yamato 2199<\/em> was produced by a completely new staff. Everyone on the staff is a <em>Yamato<\/em> fan to the core. I was a <em>Yamato<\/em> fan too, but though I expected that there would be a manga adaptation by Leiji Matsumoto or yourself, it didn\u2019t come to be for a variety of reasons. So last year I made a doujinshi called <em>Yamato 2199 Thin Book<\/em> in the style of Mr. Matsumoto. (Tanaka shows Hio a copy.)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Ah, this. (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> There are a lot of new characters in the new <em>Yamato<\/em> anime, and I drew them with the Matsumoto touch. It\u2019s a parody, but I granted my own wish to see the new <em>Yamato<\/em> in the style of Mr. Matsumoto. (Laughs) So then I started to wonder if you had seen the new <em>Yamato<\/em>. My staff and my friends all definitely want me to ask you for your impressions.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I see.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a03.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> So we\u2019ll get to that, but first I want to ask you how you came to draw the three-volume <em>Yamato<\/em> manga for Sun Comics.<\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: the term \u201ccomicalize\u201d is used frequently in the original text, which is Japanese slang for \u201cmanga adaptation.\u201d]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> At the time, an editor for Asahi Sonorama was looking for someone who could draw mecha for the manga adaptation, and he went here and there. He went to Ishimori Pro first and talked to <a href='https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mitsuru_Sugaya'>Mitsuru<\/a> <a href='http:\/\/www.m-sugaya.jp'>Sugaya<\/a> and <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u7d30\u4e95\u96c4\u4e8c&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=0CCUQsARqFQoTCP_fmPXficgCFcSSHgodQ8UIhg'>Yuji<\/a> <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=yuji+hosoi&#038;sa=X&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;ved=0CCkQsARqFQoTCIuVr5HgicgCFcYWHgod7PwIeA'>Hosoi<\/a> and <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u5c71\u7530\u30b4\u30ed&#038;biw=1133&#038;bih=1339&#038;source=lnms&#038;tbm=isch&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIq_jJ9ISyyAIVi5WACh3CWwmy'>Goro Yamada<\/a>. I heard about it from Mr. Hosoi.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a04.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Getter Robo<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: Ishimori Productions was the studio of legendary manga artist <a href='https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Shotaro_Ishinomori'>Shotaro Ishinomori<\/a>, who is often thought of as second only to Osamu Tezuka in Japan. Find out more about the other artists by clicking on their names. See a gallery of Mitsuru Sugaya\u2019s work <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u3059\u304c\u3084\u307f\u3064\u308b&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;source=lnms&#038;tbm=isch&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI8efHj9-JyAIVx6GACh0FhQz7'>here<\/a>.]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Around the same time, I was drawing <em>Getter Robo<\/em> as a subcontractor for Shiranui Pro and Dynamic Pro. I originally wanted to get work directly from Mr. Hosoi, but now I was getting work through Shiranui Pro. Therefore, in the first <em>Yamato<\/em> manga adaptation, Shiranui Pro should appear after my name in parentheses.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Ah, I feel like I heard about that.<\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: this was a live-action Japanese TV series, unrelated to the 1981 Disney movie. See more <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u6b63\u7fa9\u306e\u30b7\u30f3\u30dc\u30eb+\u30b3\u30f3\u30c9\u30fc\u30eb\u30de\u30f3&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0CCoQsARqFQoTCIS_6sHhicgCFQmQDQodewQJqA'>here<\/a> and <a href='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=6P3c8Ybxc10'>here<\/a>.]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This job came straight from Asahi Sonorama. So Shiranui Pro said, \u201cBecause Hio is on our staff, we\u2019ll take 20% of the royalties.\u201d I said, \u201cI am?\u201d I was surprised. At the time I got work through Ishimori Pro (without having royalties taken out), and when the direct offer came through for that work, I didn\u2019t happen to be in the meeting so I heard the story after the fact. And so I negotiated, saying \u201cIf I took a job that Shiranui Pro was working on, then you taking 20% would be fine, but I think it\u2019s odd that you\u2019re getting a margin on work that I designate for myself.\u201d Since then, I\u2019ve cut my ties to Shiranui Pro.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a05.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Condorman<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> It became a source of trouble after that. After I was done with <em>Yamato<\/em>, I did the adaptation of <em>Symbol of Justice Condorman<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s common trouble for a cartoonist.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> At the time, production had the sense of, \u201cOnce you work for us, you\u2019re on our staff,\u201d and the editor also knew it. But I wasn\u2019t getting an exclusivity fee and it wasn\u2019t a job that I had gotten them to do, so I couldn\u2019t just say \u201cOh, I see\u201d and leave. So after that I received work directly from Sonorama.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Is that so? By the way, do you remember if your three manga volumes were published around the same time the TV anime was on?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. When I started writing it, I went with the Sonorama editor to Office Academy (Yoshinobu Nishizaki\u2019s private office). Around that time I had just resigned as Shotaro Ishinomori\u2019s assistant. I lived in Nerima (a district) in Sakuradai (a Tokyo suburb), and Academy\u2019s office building was in my neighborhood. Mr. Nishizaki was doing the planning for <em>Yamato<\/em> by himself. The first time I went, there were still just rough sketches by Leiji Matsumoto. He and [scriptwriter] Keisuke Fujikawa were nagging Mr. Nishizaki while he was making the story. Based on Matsumoto\u2019s rough sketches, Studio Nue had done a three-view drawing of <em>Yamato<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a06.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a07.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> The character design is slightly different between the TV version and your manga. Is that because the manga was drawn in advance?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Yes. At the time, Mr. Matsumoto\u2019s originals were not decided upon. It was sort of like that with the mecha, too. The designs weren\u2019t done because the story still hadn\u2019t been decided, and Mr. Fujikawa was working on a rough outline. So I made the manga plot from the first draft that everyone had discussed. At that time, Mr. Matsumoto was already planning to use Harlock. (Laughs) There was the idea that Mamoru Kodai would become Harlock and help out <em>Yamato<\/em> in a pinch.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Therefore, your manga contains the episode with Harlock that was originally scheduled for the TV series, but was cut when the broadcast period was shortened.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. The draft everyone talked about together ended up in Mr. Fujikawa\u2019s script.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a08.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Captain Harlock and General Domel from the Hio manga<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a09.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Harlock\u2019s ship (based on Earth battleship)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> One of the distinctive things about your manga version is that Domel wears sunglasses. That\u2019s very cool, but did it turn out that way because you drew the character before Mr. Matsumoto completed Domel? Or did you add it to the original draft?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> It was because Mr. Matsumoto\u2019s draft wasn\u2019t available yet.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> I see. I can clearly remember that there was a long gap between the publication of each of the three volumes. I thought it was because they were hard to draw. Is that true?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Yes. As for me, my hand is slow, and that adaptation was tough. (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a11.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> No, even when I look at it now, the parallel lines in your art are not screen tone. Those intricate lines were drawn by hand. It blows my mind that they couldn\u2019t have been drawn in the rough. You had to draw them so clean and precise.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s because I didn\u2019t have the money to buy screen tone. (Laughs) The pay was really cheap. There were no royalties, just a purchase form. So I employed a cheap junior assistant from Ishimori Pro, but that didn\u2019t work out very well.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> You mean it didn\u2019t pay well even if you drew so precisely? Even though it was so popular, the pay was still low?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> It was back when you couldn\u2019t get useable [photo]copies, so it was hard to draw.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a12.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Submarine Super 99, Zero-Sen Hayato<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> You said before they were looking for someone who could draw mecha, which is why they requested you. Had you enrolled at Ishimori Pro previously, or were you always a freelancer?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> When I was a junior high student, I had often hung out with Mr. Matsumoto and Mr. Ishinomori. When I went to college, I made doujinshis which I passed around to both of them for review.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> In other words, Mr. Matsumoto was already an old friend of yours at the time of <em>Yamato<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. I\u2019d quit doing doujinshi by my third year and became an assistant.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Then you had drawn mecha manga from the time you made doujinshis?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I liked it. I collected Mr. Matsumoto\u2019s manga, such as <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u6f5c\u6c34\u8266\u30b9\u30fc\u30d1\u30fc99&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;source=lnms&#038;tbm=isch&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIsYKc7u2JyAIVy9SACh2P4gek'><em>Submarine Super 99<\/em><\/a> and imitated his drawings a lot.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> The design of Mr. Matsumoto\u2019s mecha in those days really brought out their density, didn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> It was excellent. I liked the feeling of accuracy, like in <a href='https:\/\/www.mangaupdates.com\/authors.html?id=18959'>Tsuji<\/a> <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u8fbb\u306a\u304a\u304d&#038;biw=1133&#038;bih=1339&#038;source=lnms&#038;tbm=isch&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI_ZechYmyyAIVCPCACh0wGwvj'>Naoki\u2019s<\/a> <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=0\u6226\u306f\u3084\u3068&#038;biw=1299&#038;bih=1339&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0CCoQsARqFQoTCL2XvbPuicgCFYzNgAodQ9wEDA'><em>Zero-Sen Hayato<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a13.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><em>Yamato<\/em> fans relied upon Hio\u2019s <em>Yamato<\/em> comic<\/h3>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> <em>Yamato<\/em> started airing in October 1974. The planning for the anime hadn\u2019t properly solidified until the spring of that year, and so they had to rush to get it started in just half a year. I hear it was a pretty tight schedule.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Then, of course, you would have started to draw the manga prior to airing. Did you begin in the spring?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Yes.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Didn\u2019t volume 1 appear around the middle of the broadcast? We fans were looking forward to volume 2, but it didn\u2019t appear for a while after that. And after <em>Yamato<\/em> finished airing, there were no reruns for a while. t the time, there were no anime magazines, or any kind of magazines or books that would feature it. I was a sixth-grader in elementary school at the time, and the image of <em>Yamato<\/em> was burned into my memories. So your manga was the only thing I could rely on, since I believe Matsumoto\u2019s manga came later. That book was the only source of information I had on <em>Yamato<\/em>. Therefore, I couldn\u2019t wait for the second and third volumes to come out.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, there are several episodes that weren\u2019t in the TV version. I remember well the story after the drill missile, that revolved around the crew being assassinated by the female spy. Did that disappear when the broadcast was reduced?<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a14.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Gamilon assassin Iroze, disposed android soldiers<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. I think it was in Mr. Fujikawa\u2019s script\u2026but there was no such woman in the story.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Or there was an arrangement where a beautiful woman appeared to deceive the men, but the story was changed. Then there was a story where they descend on a planet full of old men, but they actually turn out to be human machines and androids, right? They couldn\u2019t communicate with the crew, but they could easily talk to Analyzer. In fact, in the episode they were disposable android soldiers made by the Gamilas army. If the TV version had aired fully to the end, I think that story would have been perfect for an episode.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I think that story was in the draft. However, I don\u2019t think it was written as a script by Mr. Fujikawa.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> In fact, could it be that the original stories of the female assassin and the android soldiers made it into <em>2199<\/em> last year? It is speculated that they were woven into the story. The older fans who read your version said, \u201cThat\u2019s great! That\u2019s wonderful!\u201d when they saw it. And the twin Cosmo Zeroes in <em>2199<\/em> only previously appeared in your version. In the anime version, there was only one, used by Susumu Kodai.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a15.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Twin Cosmo Zeroes attack the Gamilon base on Pluto. Akira Hio did it first!<\/em><\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: to be precise, there were scenes in the original series with more than one Cosmo Zero, but Kodai was the only pilot who flew it.]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I think that was also different in the script. In the beginning, all the planes were Cosmo Zeroes. But maybe it was too hard to put them in the anime. It was tough to draw, so all the others became simple Black Tigers. In the first episode, the plan was to have a formation of Cosmo Zeroes.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> In your adaptation, there was a lot of power in your two-page spreads of the mecha. Even when you look at it now, it\u2019s great that you didn\u2019t cut corners on it.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a16.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I couldn\u2019t use photocopies in the beginning, and since then it\u2019s been written on the net that \u201cHio made <em>Yamato<\/em> into a football.\u201d (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Your drawings of <em>Yamato<\/em> had the image of a submarine. Such as in the attitude of the bridge. Do you like things of the sea, like ships?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Yes, I do.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> When the third volume came out, a lot of time had passed since the end of the broadcast. Was it about a year?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> So you kept on writing it after the broadcast was over, right? Was it still popular enough to sell books by then?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Wasn\u2019t that after the rerun started? The books began to sell.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> At the time of the broadcast, the feeling was that people in the know called it anime. But the first broadcast of <em>Yamato<\/em> didn\u2019t get good ratings, so it was shortened.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> But after the first edition of the manga sold out, it was reprinted after the reruns. Then it went to royalties.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> In that way, it was the beginning of the <em>Yamato<\/em> boom, wasn\u2019t it? After the reruns, it was edited into a feature film and shown in movie theaters. Then <em>Farewell to Yamato<\/em> was made, and you did the manga adaptation for it. Did you start drawing at the stage when the designs were completed?<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a17.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Farewell to Yamato, volumes 1-3<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Yes. And because in that case the storyboards had already been completed, the story was easy to draw. Just around that time, I could finally get usable photocopies. (Laughs) But there was still no enlargement or reduction, so I made drawings from the design images and scaled them myself.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> There were places where you drew them from different angles than the design images. In the TV versions, they always showed them from the same angle. (Laughs) Would you consider yourself a finicky craftsman\u2026?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I took drafting in school, and I\u2019d draw solid three-sided illustrations of buildings. So I was good at different angles.<\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: in the original text, the term for \u201cangle\u201d is \u201cpass.\u201d]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> So as a drafter you drew line art? I heard this from Mr. Sugaya, but is it true that, as a drafter, you were attracted to line art?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. I bought it when I was in school, and when I got into the habit of drafting, I also drew it in manga.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a18.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Hio\u2019s rendering of the Yamato girls from 2199<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<h3>When <em>Yamato<\/em> became restricted<\/h3>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> You said that when you started the adaptation of <em>Farewell<\/em>, the designs were solidified. I think because you had the storyboard to work from, I was a little disappointed that there were no original Akira Hio episodes in it.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I was still plenty motivated and it was always a pleasure to draw powerful pictures, but that wasn\u2019t the case with from there. (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> It sounds like you felt a sense of obligation, or maybe inertia.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. In short, since I\u2019m slow, Sonorama hired other people to draw the <em>Yamato III<\/em> TV series, but it didn\u2019t seem like many could do it, so I did all the other adaptations. But later, it was tightly restricted by Mr. Nishizaki<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> You mean, you couldn\u2019t add episodes without permission?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I couldn\u2019t change the direction of the anime. I was told to follow the storyboards. <\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s tough.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> In that case, it becomes too much like a film comic, and I didn\u2019t like it any more. It didn\u2019t have the flavor of being drawn as a manga.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> After all, Mr. Nishizaki thought carefully about <em>Yamato<\/em> and didn\u2019t let others remake it very much. But it\u2019s been said that after he died, there could be a story like <em>2199<\/em>. I heard that he really disliked it when others made changes.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Parody books appeared when the first movie became popular in theaters, but Nishizaki disliked them. All the images of <em>Yamato<\/em> were unified and never changed. He was very stubborn about that.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Today\u2019s manga goes the other way. Derivate works are expanding now.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I guess that wasn\u2019t known yet.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> I asked Leiji Matsumoto about <em>Yamato<\/em> the other day and he told me that everyone on the staff traveled to Hawaii to hold meetings there. When everyone got together, Mr. Nishizaki wasn\u2019t there. It seemed he had collected a mistress, so they called his hotel room and said, \u201cThe meeting is starting\u201d and he said, \u201cI\u2019ll be done soon.\u201d I wonder what he was getting done? (Burst of laughter.) <\/p>\n<p>There are a lot of legends about Nishizaki. When he\u2019d ask you to do something, if talks weren\u2019t going well, he\u2019d just whip out a wad of cash.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I had something similar to that. Before <em>Space Carrier Blue Noah<\/em> was made, I wanted to know how the submarine transformed and I tried to do it, but I had no idea. We had arranged to meet at a coffee shop in Kudanshita, and I sketched out 10 drawings in a hurry over 30 minutes. He said, \u201cOh, thank you,\u201d and bang &#8211; handed me 100,000 yen.<\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: about $500 US dollars at the time.]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a19.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> On the spot!<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> My feeling was, \u201cHuh?!\u201d It was astonishing.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> By that time Yoshikazu Yasuhiko was only working on <em>Gundam<\/em>, and he took on a bit of <em>Yamato The New Voyage<\/em>. He\u2019d just had a child and life was difficult and <em>Gundam<\/em> was hard work, so Mr. Nishizaki\u2019s money really helped. I heard that he was very grateful to Mr. Nishizaki.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I also heard later about his bad reputation, and I wondered if it was a necessary evil. (Laughs) He was generous, but he was also once arrested in Izu for stealing tangerines. (Explosive laughter)<br \/>\nHe got a craving for tangerines, so be brought his cruiser to the shore and got caught stealing them from Mt. Mikan.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Morals change. (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> It\u2019s a legend. (Laughs) It\u2019s legendary. (Laughs) He was a hard man, in the odd sense of the word. Even when he was arrested for illegal arms possession, he\u2019d test-fire them on that cruiser a lot. There were some famous people there, mixed with some politicians, but I\u2019ll take their names to my grave.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Certainly there\u2019s a wide variety of rumors and the truth is unknown. To get back to the story, when I watched <em>2199<\/em>, which was created by people who were fans, I felt that \u201cThis <em>Yamato<\/em> is the true <em>Yamato<\/em>.\u201d For those who watched it in the past, although it\u2019s a new <em>Yamato<\/em> that incorporates new things, it\u2019s a work that properly holds onto its core. Therefore, I looked forward to things from your adaptation to appear in <em>2199<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-right\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a20.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Combattler V<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<h3>What has Akira Hio been doing for the last twenty years?<\/h3>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> By the way, though we\u2019ve been talking mainly about <em>Yamato<\/em>, there must be other manga adaptations besides that. Since they take you so long to do, you must have had to turn them down, right?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. It wasn\u2019t possible for me to overlap them. But because work was slow, I had no choice but to ask my manager at Sonorama for work. I hated my manager, and asked the company to cut him loose, but all the other editors didn\u2019t want him as their manager, either. (Laughs) Even in-house they told me \u201cYou\u2019re the only one who can handle him.\u201d That\u2019s how it felt to me after <em>Yamato<\/em> when I did <em>Condorman<\/em> and <em>Combattler V<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Still, even saying it takes time, it was time taken by you drawing punctually, right? You wouldn\u2019t slack off on the job, would you?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> No, sometimes I blew off work\u2026<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Oh, you did! (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Sometimes drawing my manga was a painful process, and I\u2019d procrastinate \u2018till the deadline got pretty close. As the deadline started to approach, I\u2019d draw in a cold sweat. There wasn\u2019t enough time. (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Was it a better fit for you to work on a staff as a professional assistant who drew only mecha?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That\u2019s right. It\u2019s a lot more fun. It\u2019s much better when people ask me to do mecha design.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> When you do mecha design for a manga, it really is just the mecha. You don\u2019t have to think about the story, so I can see how that might be your favorite field. Let\u2019s talk about your other mecha design. For toys, and for <em><a href='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=NZGSetCbhX4'>Lightspeed<\/a> <a href='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=k5ZS3pqHv5M'>Electroid<\/a> <a href='https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lightspeed_Electroid_Albegas'>Albegas<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I did mecha for <a href='https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=\u5192\u967a\u30d5\u30a1\u30df\u30ea\u30fc+\u3053\u3053\u306f\u60d1\u661f0\u756a\u5730&#038;biw=1105&#038;bih=1339&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbo=u&#038;source=univ&#038;sa=X&#038;sqi=2&#038;ved=0CDAQsARqFQoTCO-jgZ78jsgCFcgyPgodqgUA6Q'><em>Adventure Family Here on Planet Zero<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a21.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>On-screen and toy mecha, both designed by Hio<\/em><\/p>\n[Translator\u2019s note: this was a 1977-78 live-action SF adventure show in the vein of <em>Lost in Space<\/em>. See the opening title <a href='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=3Hu46fZxNxU'>here<\/a>.]<br clear=\"none\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Ah! That was certainly Hio-style.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> That was tough. I had to draw triple orthographic views.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> It had the feeling of live-action SF mecha that worked well. You had to incorporate gimmicks into the mecha that could be made into a toy, right? Succeeding as a toy and succeeding as a show aren\u2019t necessarily linked. The show could be popular, but the toys don\u2019t sell, but on the other hand there are cases where the show gets low ratings but the toys sell wonderfully. Naturally, when a toy maker is the sponsor, they request interesting mecha for both the show and the toys.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> The sponsor for <em>Planet Zero<\/em> was Takatoku. Mr. Iijima was the producer. For some reason, he was at Ishimori Pro for a long time. He loved mahjong, and if he was short a player, he\u2019d even call em in to play. (Laughs) We\u2019d play mahjong instead of doing work.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"image-left\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault-images\/oct15\/054a22.JPG\" border=\"0\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Adventure Family DVD collection<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Changing the subject, have you ever talked about trying to do an exhibition somewhere for your original art and illustrations?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I don\u2019t have any of it any more. I donated all the manga materials I had to Kyoto Seika University. (Laughs) All my doujinshis, too.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Is that so?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> There\u2019s nothing left at all. I don\u2019t even have an eraser in my house. (Laughs) When you asked me to draw something, I had the feeling of, \u201cHuh?\u201d<br \/>\n<\/br><br \/>\n<span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> Haven\u2019t you drawn anything recently?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> I haven\u2019t drawn for about twenty years.<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Tanaka:<\/em><\/span> I see. What have you been doing for the last twenty years?<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"textBlue\"><em>Hio:<\/em><\/span> Hmm, what have I done. Occasionally, I\u2019ll act as legs for someone. With <a href='https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Keiko_Takemiya'>Keiko Takemiya<\/a> or <a href='https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yumiko_Igarashi'>Yumiko Igarashi<\/a>. I do that on occasion. Beyond that, I usually work a part-time job. I like food and I have a chef\u2019s license. I worked in the family restaurant.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><a href='https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/055a'>Click here to continue<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[119,78],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-19903","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-others-interviews-essays","category-publishing-series-1"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19903","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=19903"}],"version-history":[{"count":18,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19903\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":25719,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/19903\/revisions\/25719"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=19903"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=19903"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.ourstarblazers.com\/vault\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=19903"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}